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		By: Wendy Lim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2020 08:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Rachel,
A very Happy New Year to you.
Thanks for sharing your travel stories and life experiences with us.
I guess some of us who have to uproot ourselves to eke out an independent life in a faraway place would always hope that somehow we would have a real connection or something in common with our new home. Being able to contribute something positive or meaningful and to be really part to the new community that we may be moving to live with would also be something to aim for and hopefully achievable for us who may be seeking a new home to settle in year 2020!
I am not a great fan of museums but I do find the top photo of the Tenement Museum particularly fascinating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rachel,<br />
A very Happy New Year to you.<br />
Thanks for sharing your travel stories and life experiences with us.<br />
I guess some of us who have to uproot ourselves to eke out an independent life in a faraway place would always hope that somehow we would have a real connection or something in common with our new home. Being able to contribute something positive or meaningful and to be really part to the new community that we may be moving to live with would also be something to aim for and hopefully achievable for us who may be seeking a new home to settle in year 2020!<br />
I am not a great fan of museums but I do find the top photo of the Tenement Museum particularly fascinating.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2019 13:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-28663&quot;&gt;Cindy Carlsson&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Cindy, thanks for your thought-provoking response! I think every single immigrant has to make this decision themselves of how much to assimilate. And I think that it&#039;s inevitable that their kids and grandkids are more assimilated than the original immigrants are. I mean, they go to school, and we generally underestimate schools as a transmitter of cultural values and norms. I also think that individual family units have their own sub-culture too, and kids grow up cherishing the things their family did, whether it&#039;s a particular meal that they enjoyed as kids, or a walk they took on Sundays, or whatever. That becomes &quot;tradition,&quot; so they don&#039;t really lose traditions; they just have different ones from other families. 
No, I haven&#039;t been to the Jewish Museum yet, but it&#039;s top of my list for next time I&#039;m there!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-28663">Cindy Carlsson</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Cindy, thanks for your thought-provoking response! I think every single immigrant has to make this decision themselves of how much to assimilate. And I think that it&#8217;s inevitable that their kids and grandkids are more assimilated than the original immigrants are. I mean, they go to school, and we generally underestimate schools as a transmitter of cultural values and norms. I also think that individual family units have their own sub-culture too, and kids grow up cherishing the things their family did, whether it&#8217;s a particular meal that they enjoyed as kids, or a walk they took on Sundays, or whatever. That becomes &#8220;tradition,&#8221; so they don&#8217;t really lose traditions; they just have different ones from other families.<br />
No, I haven&#8217;t been to the Jewish Museum yet, but it&#8217;s top of my list for next time I&#8217;m there!</p>
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		By: Cindy Carlsson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This was one of the museums I hoped to visit when in NYC and just ran out of time for. And one that I suspect we would have made time for if we&#039;d realized it was more than just a few period rooms to look at! It sounds wonderful. The food tour, however, does indeed sound like they missed tying the food to the history of the neighborhood and people in it. Maybe that&#039;s why I don&#039;t do many cultural food tours - they seem to be more about tasting the food than the history and culture it represents.

You raise interesting questions about assimilation. All of grandparents were immigrants, all landing fairly quickly in relatively rural areas of Minnesota - largely where there were at least a few other immigrants from their same country. Aside from the perennial argument over whether Christmas presents were opened Christmas eve or Christmas day, I can&#039;t think of a single tradition that was passed down to us from our grandparents homelands. My paternal grandparents never spoke Swedish to their children again after the oldest&#039;s first day of school. And, other than the names of a few foods, neither of my parents learned any of their parents&#039; native language. (I taught my dad a little Swedish when we went to Sweden to visit cousins!) I&#039;ve tried to reintegrate a few Scandinavian traditions into my life, but I wish that either my grandparents or parents (hard to really tell how big a role each had) had not become so completely assimilated that they gave up or simply lost the culture of their homeland. Of course, one grandmother died fairly young, and she did continue some traditions, but little seems to have been continued by her daughter and none by her sons. I think my father missed the bit of Swedish culture he grew up with, but there didn&#039;t seem to be any attempt to pass any of it on to us. (My mother seems to have not been interested until she got much older.) I&#039;m envious of my mostly Italian and Ukrainian friends who seem to successfully blend the culture of their parents and grandparents with an American identity. In an America that doesn&#039;t really have a cultural identity, I feel a bit adrift. And, while I am connected with a number of cousins in &quot;the old country,&quot; learning and adopting the culture of my grandparents feels like an add-on, not part of who I am. I think society often forces immigrants to give up too much of who they are -- if others allow it, you can be fully American and without completely giving up your culture. Too often that gets lost in a belief that everyone conform to some American ideal that doesn&#039;t really exist for most Americans and never has. That was as true of the Know Nothings in the 1850s as it is today. And the USA is a poorer county for it.

On a related note, we were using a New York Pass when we were in the city to hit as many museums as we could to check them out -- especially ones we wouldn&#039;t have paid to enter otherwise. Among them was the Jewish Museum. I mostly wanted to see the meditation garden, but I found the museum fascinating because it actually told the history of Jewish people in a way that made them real people with full lives, not just victims who&#039;s only identity was their Jewishness. Curious to know if you&#039;ve been there and what your thoughts are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was one of the museums I hoped to visit when in NYC and just ran out of time for. And one that I suspect we would have made time for if we&#8217;d realized it was more than just a few period rooms to look at! It sounds wonderful. The food tour, however, does indeed sound like they missed tying the food to the history of the neighborhood and people in it. Maybe that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t do many cultural food tours &#8211; they seem to be more about tasting the food than the history and culture it represents.</p>
<p>You raise interesting questions about assimilation. All of grandparents were immigrants, all landing fairly quickly in relatively rural areas of Minnesota &#8211; largely where there were at least a few other immigrants from their same country. Aside from the perennial argument over whether Christmas presents were opened Christmas eve or Christmas day, I can&#8217;t think of a single tradition that was passed down to us from our grandparents homelands. My paternal grandparents never spoke Swedish to their children again after the oldest&#8217;s first day of school. And, other than the names of a few foods, neither of my parents learned any of their parents&#8217; native language. (I taught my dad a little Swedish when we went to Sweden to visit cousins!) I&#8217;ve tried to reintegrate a few Scandinavian traditions into my life, but I wish that either my grandparents or parents (hard to really tell how big a role each had) had not become so completely assimilated that they gave up or simply lost the culture of their homeland. Of course, one grandmother died fairly young, and she did continue some traditions, but little seems to have been continued by her daughter and none by her sons. I think my father missed the bit of Swedish culture he grew up with, but there didn&#8217;t seem to be any attempt to pass any of it on to us. (My mother seems to have not been interested until she got much older.) I&#8217;m envious of my mostly Italian and Ukrainian friends who seem to successfully blend the culture of their parents and grandparents with an American identity. In an America that doesn&#8217;t really have a cultural identity, I feel a bit adrift. And, while I am connected with a number of cousins in &#8220;the old country,&#8221; learning and adopting the culture of my grandparents feels like an add-on, not part of who I am. I think society often forces immigrants to give up too much of who they are &#8212; if others allow it, you can be fully American and without completely giving up your culture. Too often that gets lost in a belief that everyone conform to some American ideal that doesn&#8217;t really exist for most Americans and never has. That was as true of the Know Nothings in the 1850s as it is today. And the USA is a poorer county for it.</p>
<p>On a related note, we were using a New York Pass when we were in the city to hit as many museums as we could to check them out &#8212; especially ones we wouldn&#8217;t have paid to enter otherwise. Among them was the Jewish Museum. I mostly wanted to see the meditation garden, but I found the museum fascinating because it actually told the history of Jewish people in a way that made them real people with full lives, not just victims who&#8217;s only identity was their Jewishness. Curious to know if you&#8217;ve been there and what your thoughts are.</p>
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		By: Carole Terwilliger Meyers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 23:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I so enjoyed my own visit to the Tenement Museum in NYC.  It is a must-see for visitors to the Lower East Side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so enjoyed my own visit to the Tenement Museum in NYC.  It is a must-see for visitors to the Lower East Side.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
		<link>https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12857</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12856&quot;&gt;Anita and Richard @ No Particular Place To Go&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha! Every group of immigrants to any country has to make decisions about how much to assimilate. And I think it often causes tensions between generations too. The same debate that happens now -- the idea that immigrants are a threat and that they&#039;re not assimilating enough -- was what led to some very restrictive laws in the early 1920&#039;s. Some things don&#039;t change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12856">Anita and Richard @ No Particular Place To Go</a>.</p>
<p>Haha! Every group of immigrants to any country has to make decisions about how much to assimilate. And I think it often causes tensions between generations too. The same debate that happens now &#8212; the idea that immigrants are a threat and that they&#8217;re not assimilating enough &#8212; was what led to some very restrictive laws in the early 1920&#8217;s. Some things don&#8217;t change.</p>
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		By: Anita and Richard @ No Particular Place To Go		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the most moving tours we&#039;ve ever done was a visit to Ellis Island although I&#039;m uncertain as to where and when my Danish and German ancestors came or even why. And it&#039;s heartbreaking to see refugees denied a visa and a haven in the US now. The question of assimilation is very interesting, especially to those of us who are expats, but I think one of the biggest steps to becoming assimilated is when one can speak the language. However, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever get used to mayo on my French fries! (The Brits seem to love that combination too!) Anita]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most moving tours we&#8217;ve ever done was a visit to Ellis Island although I&#8217;m uncertain as to where and when my Danish and German ancestors came or even why. And it&#8217;s heartbreaking to see refugees denied a visa and a haven in the US now. The question of assimilation is very interesting, especially to those of us who are expats, but I think one of the biggest steps to becoming assimilated is when one can speak the language. However, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever get used to mayo on my French fries! (The Brits seem to love that combination too!) Anita</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12852&quot;&gt;Doreen Pendgracs&lt;/a&gt;.

I certainly agree. I made learning Dutch my priority when I moved here, yet I still use English almost exclusively at home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12852">Doreen Pendgracs</a>.</p>
<p>I certainly agree. I made learning Dutch my priority when I moved here, yet I still use English almost exclusively at home.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12853&quot;&gt;Donna Janke&lt;/a&gt;.

We definitely hang on to some of it, don&#039;t we? I see it with my kids too, who grew up in the Netherlands, but have certain American traits as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/tenement-museum-tours-review/#comment-12853">Donna Janke</a>.</p>
<p>We definitely hang on to some of it, don&#8217;t we? I see it with my kids too, who grew up in the Netherlands, but have certain American traits as well.</p>
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		By: Donna Janke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting -both the Tenement Museum and your thoughts about immigration and assimilation. In my case, it was my non-Jewish great-grandparents who immigrated to Canada. Three generations later, I and my cousins are more Canadian than anything else. Assimilation has occurred and yet, in some ways, we are still shaped by the immigrant experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting -both the Tenement Museum and your thoughts about immigration and assimilation. In my case, it was my non-Jewish great-grandparents who immigrated to Canada. Three generations later, I and my cousins are more Canadian than anything else. Assimilation has occurred and yet, in some ways, we are still shaped by the immigrant experience.</p>
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		By: Doreen Pendgracs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Rachel: That is a very profound question. My grandparents also immigrated from Ukraine, but to Canada. My grandmother never learned to speak English as she spent her entire life on the farm in a very rural location on the Canadian Prairies. When I was growing up, one of my best friends was from Italy. Her mother never learned to speak English. Just a very few words to get by. But she lives in the bustling city of Winnipeg. I think that when you live in a large city and are part of a new culture, you should make a strong effort to learn the local language and respect the local customs. That especially holds true today, when we are getting waves of immigrants into our cities that come from cultures very different to our own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rachel: That is a very profound question. My grandparents also immigrated from Ukraine, but to Canada. My grandmother never learned to speak English as she spent her entire life on the farm in a very rural location on the Canadian Prairies. When I was growing up, one of my best friends was from Italy. Her mother never learned to speak English. Just a very few words to get by. But she lives in the bustling city of Winnipeg. I think that when you live in a large city and are part of a new culture, you should make a strong effort to learn the local language and respect the local customs. That especially holds true today, when we are getting waves of immigrants into our cities that come from cultures very different to our own.</p>
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