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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
		<link>https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-13341</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2018 21:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-13336&quot;&gt;Keli Watts&lt;/a&gt;.

I feel for you. It is a gut-wrenching decision for anyone who grew up in the US.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-13336">Keli Watts</a>.</p>
<p>I feel for you. It is a gut-wrenching decision for anyone who grew up in the US.</p>
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		By: Keli Watts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2018 13:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello all
I am about to start down the renunciation road with terror in my heart. Like most of you, I don&#039;t really want to do this. I love my country (although it is harder and hared to do) but I am fed up to the teeth with the tax situation. Recently I invested some money in the UK in what I thought was a safe and smart way to safeguard my future and that of my family. And hey presto! This year I had to pay a whack of tax not of the benefit of having any cash gain but simply because the value of my &quot;US unfriendly&quot; investments. I don&#039;t even invest it- it gets done for me by the firm. I&#039;ve lived in the UK 40 years. I\ve waited for the gut dread to hit..... but it hasn&#039;t. Now I fear for my children. Again, in good faith we registered them as births abroad. They have US passports but they&#039;ve never filed all the crap paperwork and aren&#039;t about tp start now. I fear one day Uncle Sam will come after them. Never in my life did I ever think I&#039;d feel scared and targeted by my birth country. I&#039;m sooooo angry. And I&#039;m soon mad. I feel complete let down by the US Government and I&#039;s pretty sure I&#039;m going to wave them goodbye as soon as I can arrange it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all<br />
I am about to start down the renunciation road with terror in my heart. Like most of you, I don&#8217;t really want to do this. I love my country (although it is harder and hared to do) but I am fed up to the teeth with the tax situation. Recently I invested some money in the UK in what I thought was a safe and smart way to safeguard my future and that of my family. And hey presto! This year I had to pay a whack of tax not of the benefit of having any cash gain but simply because the value of my &#8220;US unfriendly&#8221; investments. I don&#8217;t even invest it- it gets done for me by the firm. I&#8217;ve lived in the UK 40 years. I\ve waited for the gut dread to hit&#8230;.. but it hasn&#8217;t. Now I fear for my children. Again, in good faith we registered them as births abroad. They have US passports but they&#8217;ve never filed all the crap paperwork and aren&#8217;t about tp start now. I fear one day Uncle Sam will come after them. Never in my life did I ever think I&#8217;d feel scared and targeted by my birth country. I&#8217;m sooooo angry. And I&#8217;m soon mad. I feel complete let down by the US Government and I&#8217;s pretty sure I&#8217;m going to wave them goodbye as soon as I can arrange it.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2016 09:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-8386&quot;&gt;Rebecca Hall (Bex)&lt;/a&gt;.

Some people end up getting double taxed--usually to do with pensions being seen by the US as UNearned income, so it doesn&#039;t fall under the exemption, or with capital gains taxes. I did renounce, and I&#039;m trying to keep it positive by speaking out (writing out?) about it. Thanks for the encouragement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-8386">Rebecca Hall (Bex)</a>.</p>
<p>Some people end up getting double taxed&#8211;usually to do with pensions being seen by the US as UNearned income, so it doesn&#8217;t fall under the exemption, or with capital gains taxes. I did renounce, and I&#8217;m trying to keep it positive by speaking out (writing out?) about it. Thanks for the encouragement.</p>
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		By: Rebecca Hall (Bex)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2016 07:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That sounds really, really harsh.  It also sounds illegal to me: is there not a double taxation rule?  Why should you be charged twice on your earnings?  
I can understand your allegiance to your home country and loving it - it&#039;s natural.  
I would hold onto your anger and turn it into something positive though. It sounds to me there is  bullying and punishment of Americans who have chosen a life abroad.  How dare they leave the &#039;land of the Great&#039;!
When your own country punishes you for the lifestyle you&#039;ve chosen to live, don&#039;t bow down to them...you&#039;re not doing anything illegal and in fact, you love your country - but won&#039;t if it continues the way it&#039;s going.
Thanks for sharing this post Rachel.  I shall take it up with my American expat friends and see what they have to say. I&#039;m intrigued.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds really, really harsh.  It also sounds illegal to me: is there not a double taxation rule?  Why should you be charged twice on your earnings?<br />
I can understand your allegiance to your home country and loving it &#8211; it&#8217;s natural.<br />
I would hold onto your anger and turn it into something positive though. It sounds to me there is  bullying and punishment of Americans who have chosen a life abroad.  How dare they leave the &#8216;land of the Great&#8217;!<br />
When your own country punishes you for the lifestyle you&#8217;ve chosen to live, don&#8217;t bow down to them&#8230;you&#8217;re not doing anything illegal and in fact, you love your country &#8211; but won&#8217;t if it continues the way it&#8217;s going.<br />
Thanks for sharing this post Rachel.  I shall take it up with my American expat friends and see what they have to say. I&#8217;m intrigued.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-8060&quot;&gt;Fred&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, even my Republican brother-in-law remarked, &quot;For once we agree on something!&quot; Weird feeling, isn&#039;t it? I know quite a few people who are doing what you are: just trying to stay compliant. Perhaps I&#039;m over-sensitive, but I felt really stressed doing that. I had this constant anger and feeling of being unfairly persecuted, and my husband&#039;s resentment that he had to give me so much of his information (joint accounts) for the FBAR forms didn&#039;t help. I resented handing over the information as much as he did. And the forms were just too complicated in my case for me to fill in by myself, so there went about a thousand euros per year to an accountant just to prove that I didn&#039;t owe income taxes to the US. And that&#039;s on top of what we pay an accountant here to do our (quite high) Dutch taxes -- my husband is self-employed so those are complicated too. I was afraid the situation would get even worse if I didn&#039;t get out soon: what if they raise the fee? Or really start comparing FBAR forms with the bank reports? Or what if the banks here in NL start rejecting Americans like they have in some other countries? Too much worry for me!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-8060">Fred</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, even my Republican brother-in-law remarked, &#8220;For once we agree on something!&#8221; Weird feeling, isn&#8217;t it? I know quite a few people who are doing what you are: just trying to stay compliant. Perhaps I&#8217;m over-sensitive, but I felt really stressed doing that. I had this constant anger and feeling of being unfairly persecuted, and my husband&#8217;s resentment that he had to give me so much of his information (joint accounts) for the FBAR forms didn&#8217;t help. I resented handing over the information as much as he did. And the forms were just too complicated in my case for me to fill in by myself, so there went about a thousand euros per year to an accountant just to prove that I didn&#8217;t owe income taxes to the US. And that&#8217;s on top of what we pay an accountant here to do our (quite high) Dutch taxes &#8212; my husband is self-employed so those are complicated too. I was afraid the situation would get even worse if I didn&#8217;t get out soon: what if they raise the fee? Or really start comparing FBAR forms with the bank reports? Or what if the banks here in NL start rejecting Americans like they have in some other countries? Too much worry for me!</p>
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		By: Fred		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You very nicely translate into words some of the emotions we all feel when we are in this absurd situation that is being a US citizen abroad.  And in another post you describe being a Democrat in this situation -- my case exactly.  I must say it&#039;s quite a stretch for me to realize that on this subject I&#039;m more with Rubio &#038; Cruz (not that I would really trust them to come through but at least the language is there).
For now I think I can live with feeding plausible data to the US govt&#039;s information machine (after 13 years of &quot;non compliance&quot; I now strive for &quot;compliance&quot; - quotation marks needed because how can one possibly be truly compliant).  Partly because I cannot bring myself to do what you did... yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You very nicely translate into words some of the emotions we all feel when we are in this absurd situation that is being a US citizen abroad.  And in another post you describe being a Democrat in this situation &#8212; my case exactly.  I must say it&#8217;s quite a stretch for me to realize that on this subject I&#8217;m more with Rubio &amp; Cruz (not that I would really trust them to come through but at least the language is there).<br />
For now I think I can live with feeding plausible data to the US govt&#8217;s information machine (after 13 years of &#8220;non compliance&#8221; I now strive for &#8220;compliance&#8221; &#8211; quotation marks needed because how can one possibly be truly compliant).  Partly because I cannot bring myself to do what you did&#8230; yet.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-6849&quot;&gt;Kristin Henning&lt;/a&gt;.

My thoughts exactly. It&#039;s the unfairness of it that finally helped me make the decision. Why stand for it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-6849">Kristin Henning</a>.</p>
<p>My thoughts exactly. It&#8217;s the unfairness of it that finally helped me make the decision. Why stand for it?</p>
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		By: Kristin Henning		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We think of this issue often, and our nephew is facing the decision now. It&#039;s sad that these tax and privacy issues force so many to renounce, and infuriating that the individuals suffer and the corporations carry on unscathed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We think of this issue often, and our nephew is facing the decision now. It&#8217;s sad that these tax and privacy issues force so many to renounce, and infuriating that the individuals suffer and the corporations carry on unscathed.</p>
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		By: Rachel Heller		</title>
		<link>https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-6842</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 06:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-6834&quot;&gt;Jackie Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re right. Even if you have no savings, no assets, a low income, etc., if you&#039;re a US citizen you still have to file the forms every year including the FBAR, which is such an invasion of privacy. The &#039;strings attached&#039; that you mentioned are much worse for US citizens (and Eritreans) than for citizens of other countries because the US does citizenship-based taxation while the rest do residence-based.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rachelsruminations.com/how-my-citizenship-hit-me/#comment-6834">Jackie Smith</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. Even if you have no savings, no assets, a low income, etc., if you&#8217;re a US citizen you still have to file the forms every year including the FBAR, which is such an invasion of privacy. The &#8216;strings attached&#8217; that you mentioned are much worse for US citizens (and Eritreans) than for citizens of other countries because the US does citizenship-based taxation while the rest do residence-based.</p>
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		By: Jackie Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When we purchased our home in Greece we also had to report to both country&#039;s governments the amount of money taken into this country and out of the US. (Yes, one does have to file income tax forms in Greece and pay property taxes here annually). Our experiences are nothing as significant as yours but people should be reminded (and your post does it very well) that moving to a new country whether full- or part-time isn&#039;t just a matter of packing a suitcase and setting up a new life.  Strings are attached.  Good luck, let us know the outcome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we purchased our home in Greece we also had to report to both country&#8217;s governments the amount of money taken into this country and out of the US. (Yes, one does have to file income tax forms in Greece and pay property taxes here annually). Our experiences are nothing as significant as yours but people should be reminded (and your post does it very well) that moving to a new country whether full- or part-time isn&#8217;t just a matter of packing a suitcase and setting up a new life.  Strings are attached.  Good luck, let us know the outcome.</p>
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